Believe in yourself!
Sometimes when you try to do the right thing, people just take advantage of your generosity. That in itself isn't a problem, but when they then try to make out that they are better than you and attempt to destroy what you have done it becomes a bigger issue.
When I chose the GPL version 2 license for Primstar, it was because I wanted it to be a community effort, for other people to help me develop it and make it the best solution for sculpties. I also held out hope that users would contribute financially to help fund the development. While both happened to a small degree it was no where near enough to make the continued development of Primstar possible.
I then had to take a year off working for health reasons, and when I was starting to feel well enough to work part time, I made a decision that instead of getting a job or seeking freelance work I would try to figure out how to finance the development of Primstar 2.
This led to the collaboration with Gaia Clary and the decision to sell Primstar 2 rather than freely distributing it. My idealism couldn't quite let go of my original vision for Primstar and so I insisted that we use the GPL version 2 license again even though we would be selling the software. I hoped that people would recognise what we were trying to achieve by giving them the GPL freedoms and support the development.
Unfortunately one individual has declared his intent to create a competing product and to mass market Primstar 2 free of charge in the meantime. That puts in jeopardy our strategy and the funding that makes development possible. We've also had numerous requests from users to protect their investment in purchasing Primstar 2.
It's funny that accusations of being greedy and only interested in money are raised against us. The total income from Primstar donations and Primstar 2 sales only pays for 10 to 16 hours development a week at UK minimum wage levels. That's my total income as well, I don't take on any other work. So my greed has me hovering around the poverty line as UK living ain't exactly cheap.
So it's a problem that our generosity in using the GPL license is being used as a weapon against us. There's still a lot of development to do on Primstar 2 and without at least the current level of sales, it would be impossible to complete in a reasonable timescale.
Fortunately, there are no 3rd party contributions to the Primstar 2 codebase that prevent us from changing the license. So to protect our customers and the development, that is what we are going to do. It saddens me that such action became neccessary, but we couldn't see any other option.
No doubt someone will fork the GPL version now and I wish them the best of luck, I know just how hard the road they are choosing is. Though sometimes derivative works produce a little magic:
Just remember, future versions of Primstar 2 can't be used in your forks, only the current release is GPL. The next update will change the license and we expect to do that very soon.
Have fun!
Domino
Comments
onwards!
Thanks for the hard work up till now, and for your commitment to the future of Primstar 2. I have no problems with this direction. Just sad that it came to this.
Authorship on forks
If you do create a fork, do not remove my name from the authorship field. Remember the code you are using is still copyrighted by me and you only have the rights to it licensed to you under the GPL.
That right does not include claiming you wrote my code. You can of course add your name and I would recommend using a version control system so that you can clearly identify which code you add is under your copyright, and which parts are mine.
Editing the python code again...
by what you are telling me, is ok with you if i just leave you as the Author?
Follow the GPL Terms
Just follow the GPL v2 Terms and Conditions and all will be fine.
Instead of adding modification details into each file, using a publically accessable version control system is an acceptable alternative.
ReadMe
I added a ReadMe giving you credit in the original pack. Did you take a look at it? According to all rules... I gave you the credit, and said where the code came from.
Again misleading...
"To help protect your copyright work, it is advisable to mark it with the © symbol, the name of the copyright owner and the year in which the work was created. Although this is not essential, it will let others know when the term of protection started and it should then be possible to calculate whether it has ended or not."
There was no such symbol in the code; and I would thought you wanted no part in whatever I released. I will however address the issue in further releases. It's my honor to have my name next to yours
As far as taking a code out of GNU Public Licence I'm afraid to tell you you can't do so. Many of us contributed and gave you reviews and tested your product, and donated, mainly because it was GNU and we knew it would be for the greater good of a bigger community.
Misleading?
As the quote says "this is not essential", and as my version control system tracks the dates and the my name is clearly marked as the author in the code I didn't feel it necessary to add copyright statements. However for anyone redistributing the code under the rights given them by the GPL, section 1 of the GPL v2 license must be followed.
1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program.
So you should really add those copyright notices for me
Remember, as the original copyright holder, my rights to distribute, and the rights I've granted to Gaia do not rely on the GPL. The GPL is for the recipients of the code who chose to take advantage of the GPL rights.
You should also follow all other Terms and Conditions of the GPL license including 2a which states what you should do when you modify a file.
Remember failure to follow the Terms and Conditions will result in your rights under the GPL license being terminated as per section 4 of the license.
With the license change, it's not a case of taking code out of the GPL. I know it's not possible to retroactively change the license. What we have done is change the license for new code going forward.
For Primstar 2 purchasers we are offering a full refund for anyone who isn't happy with the new license.
How about the people who were misled into 'donating'?
You see Domino I donated sending all my students to your shop thinking the code would always be and stay GPL. Others donated moneys to you. Others donated their time.
All those things more valuable than money, or a 'refund'. This is what I attempted to talk about with Gaia and why some exceptions should have been made to certain people who could not have donated their money, but instead could have given your company something much more valuable than money.
Me talking to Gaia fell on deaf ears (I never wanted this as everyone, even in your team knows I respect you and Gaia), when I tried to ask 'why if i send all my students to you I ask people to donate to you. Your officer doesn't allow me to send an short message in your group about my class using the product you are selling? and calls my classes spam'. But we are not talking about that now are we?
We are talking about a company who took donations of not just money; and now thinks they can just switch the licences of their programs.
You talk about giving refunds? Will you refund donations? And how about those of us who donated in ways not measurable in terms of money? Is not just money that got you this far.
Nonsense.
Donations are voluntary, Albsalgar Magic, and not covered by copyright.
Donations..
The donation buttons in the Jass store are clearly marked as being for Primstar 1 and Jass public. They are a way to say thanks for what is already available. Yes, we use them to fund further development, but even now total donations do not come close to covering the original development costs of Primstar 1.
As far as other donations, such as teachers - they are really donating their time to their students not to us. Are they really creating demand for Primstar or are we creating a demand for Primstar lessons? I know quite a few inworld schools came about because I was too busy coding to teach people much
SL has the events calender and people can create their own groups for promoting their classes. If all the groups and schools teaching Primstar cross promoted, there would be a ridiculous amount of spam. It makes sense that a particular group is only about that groups activities, otherwise people might think the group had been hijacked.
More of the Same.
Albsalgar Magic has a long track record of ermmm..."irregularities" in SL. This is yet ANOTHER incident of him hijacking someone's work and claiming it to be his own:
http://theartdoor-onthedoor.blogspot.com/2010_10_01_archive.html
(Scroll halfway down the page). In that incident, he enrolled himself in a competition with cash prizes, displaying someone else's creation as his. He was found out, and removed from the competition.
I never claimed it as my
I never claimed it as my creation, however it is mine as it is MY possession as it belongs to me (read carefully). There are some Show and Tells where you can show cool things out even if you did not create them, this is because when you buy something or you are given something you can show it off all you like
South End
The world is full of horses. They are fine animals, but unfortuately there are people that resemble the south end of a horse facing north, and the products they produce resemble what comes out of that south end.
Good luck to you, and bad luck to the unnamed individual (whose initials I presume are AM)
Funny ツ
Funny you should mention; but, at least until now the product hasn't changed from what Domino coded...
And obviously if I put my name behind his code, I have to 100% disagree with the product resembling anything other than pure genius.
ps. Didn't your mother ever teach you not to ever wish bad luck upon others? When you do so it often happens to turn around, although I hope not for your sake; bad luck is a terrible thing to have. :\
Domino, I understand why you
Domino, I understand why you did this and you and Gaia have my continued support for Primstar.
That said, I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't explore more options before closing the code. That leaves Abs' fork as the only genuine open source option (IF he continues to develop it of course, which is a big "if").
Firstly, while I think Primstar is well worth the 6kL I paid for it, that price does put it out of the reach of a lot of people. I wonder if it were at a more accessible price point maybe you would sell a lot more copies and make more in total. (Plus this makes the free option comparably less attractive).
Similarly, people might be open to some sort of subscription offer - especially if it involved automatic updating of the software. (Again, this also would make people less likely to go out of their way to hunt down the free option).
Or you could charge a smaller amount but charge every update.
You could use the "Ransom" model - hold off on each release until you raise X amount of donations and let people know this is the case. (This would be VERY appropriate as the initial Blender release itself was funded this way.
)
That's just on the funding model side.
On the value-adding side you could charge for copyrighted in-tool help files. Hold exclusive classes. Release exclusive content. etc. etc.
I think Albs actions were inconsiderate but you've jumped very quickly to "sky-is-falling" mode. Ultimately all he has is a snapshot of the current Primstar2. The market is reliant on YOU for all future versions. Not only is the update itself valuable, but so is being owner of that distribution point. (Hey, there's a point - did you ever think about getting sponsors for the Primstar download page? Sculpty vendors would seem particularly appropriate...).
As a (maybe
) final thought, a lot of people have made and sold sculpties using Primstar - imagine if a significant number of them included a notecard with their products that told everyone about Primstar and how brilliant it was and encouraged people to purchase it or donate towards its continued development. Some generous vendors might even tithe you a percentage of their profits. (I would but then I don't really expect to make any profits. 
)
Point is, there are lots of ways of making money from Primstar and most of them aren't incompatible with the GPL. It'd be great to see you explore some of them. I'm betting you'd have a lot of community support, especially if the pricing was at an accessible level.
Alternatives.
Thank you for the well thought out and reasoned response.
When the price point for Primstar 2 was chosen, it was based on the current levels of JASS sales with the aim of funding 16 hours of development a week. I suspected that sales levels would remain pretty much constant, and that has proven to be true. So I don't believe that decreasing the price would increase sales.
Replacing the functionality JASS offered is only the beginning, there's still all the normal primitive features to add to Primstar 2, so it's great that even at this early stage people think that it's worth the money.
It's nearly 4 years since I first released a version of Primstar, and over that time I explored a lot of the funding suggestions you made. I tried a lot of them but none of them worked well. Only one sculpty maker ever added an automatic commission from their vendors.
It might seem like we jumped quickly, but really the current events were just the straw that broke the camels back. Pretty much every day, Gaia got harrassed by someone telling her she shouldn't be charging for GPL software and the various insults that came along with that.
So when someone who could be mistaken for a Blender official just due to his ownership of the SL Blender group states an intent to fork Primstar 2 and to do everything in his power to destroy our business, we had to take action.
We chose to change the license as it effectively solved a lot of problems we had all at once. It stops the continued harrasment from people who don't understand the GPL and it prevents our codebase from being used against us.
So all things considered, I think it was the best decision for the project.
I'm infinitely amused that it
I'm infinitely amused that it took Albsalgar to make you change your license. (He even kicked me out of a blender group 9 months ago for mentioning my fork of Jass-Pro!) And you changed your license based on one person's violating your license in the first place. The mind boggles.
Violation?
As far as I know any license violation was accidental and Albsalgar is working on being compliant with the GPL v2 license terms.
It was the stated intent to destroy our income stream and thus put the future development of Primstar into jeopardy that we reacted to.
I still want to create the best content creation tools for SL, and I'll do everything in my power to make sure that happens.
Congratulations on getting kicked out before I did. Sadly I didn't keep the notification, but I think it was about 3 months ago
1. I had received knowledge
1. I had received knowledge that plans were in the works to change the license type. Way before AlbSalGar was even thought off. You can now use AlbSalGar as an excuse.
2. It was not those plans that ultimately lead to AlbSalGar but rather why there was not an easier way for some who approached Gaia to obtain the product. I have no problem with a company making money.
3. I never said what this easier way should be, but some ideas I'll throw out. Ask the individual how much he can afford or weather he can slowly pay it off; have a sign that says 'Can't Afford' on top of the vendor and give people a note card when clicked with things they can do.
4. I never wanted to get into development believe it or not; I need to graduate in RL by december, and release AlbSalGar 1.0 by January. o.O
5. Also, it seems the site where I go to get my copy of Primstar is offline. Note that I never asked for a refund, Gaia returned my money because of what I thought 'finally seeing the light'. If this is a way to get back at me, its the wrong way.
6. Its not about me, Gaia did offer me a way to help out and translate her site then obtain Primstar2. Its about other people who came to her and she did not listen to them. Calling my classes spam also got me into it.
Lies now?
1) The only person who could change the license is me. I certainly had no intentions of changing it until Gaia approached me on Tuesday asking if we could do an educational version. Here's part of that email:
"it never helped the comunity to see two or more fighting parties. that was always annoying and never got to anywhere. So i have following proposal as a reasonable solution:
What about selling the current version Primstar-2-dev-172 with following rules:
- no commercial usage of the created sculptmaps
- no updates
- no support of any kind
maybe we can add an update option to get to the full package at any time"
Of course the GPL license means we can't limit how the software is used, so trying to fufill this brings the issue of the license to the front. Gaia never raised the issue of changing the license.
When I began to get a fuller picture of your demands on Wednesday, that was the straw that broke the camels back. I've strongly resisted changing the license, but your actions changed my mind. Prior to that, the last time we discussed the license was when we originally decided to start the Primstar 2 project.
So the knowledge you claim to have received wasn't knowledge. Someone's lying.
3) You do not have the right to tell us what our market should be. You do not have the right to force Gaia to be an officer of your group.
Our market is people who can afford the price we ask. Why should we put in extra work to lose money?
5) You've been refunded and are no longer a customer. So of course your download link has been disabled.
6) Would that be the people who have been harrassing her about selling GPL software?
I was never contacted...
No response was given on the things I asked which to my opinion would have bettered the community over all.
1) I asked for a free limited version of primstar 2.
2) I asked Gaia to take an Officer position on the Blender group.
3) I asked that her group's officers be more friendly towards me and my classes.
If one of these is unreasonable; NO ONE told me!
That's right I gave 12hrs then Gaia told me to give 24hrs, I said 'No, I give you 48 hours... And if you need more time let me know.'
Then no messages from her or from you.
The stuff I asked her not only would have benefited my group and the people in it, but also would have been of great benefit to Primstar.
History
There is a difference between asking for something and demanding it.
You'd already started the "pass the notecard" campaign before you made those demands. That's the one where you announced the AlbSalGar fork of Primstar.
As you asked for people to share the notecard with their friends, I hope you don't mind me quoting an extract here:
So your asking was closer to blackmail, with the enforcement threat being to destroy our business. Our response was to protect our business. Did you seriously think we would let you use our code to control our actions?
Who stole a puppy?
1 & 3) I had addressed before all this and the 'notecard'
2) Is a great idea that just popped up, is even a much better idea after learning since your group has plans to start charging http://blog.machinimatrix.org/support/
Funny some people kept saying it was "blackmail", sometimes I felt like I just stole a puppy. Again, no one told me any other terms in which Gaia and you would work with...
Side note: I bought a tutorial called 'SculptMap-Copy' which used to be in my download link as well. I never got my refund for that, nor do I want to be refunded, having it again on my link will be sufficient.
JASS predates Primstar 2
The tutorials and support Gaia sells for JASS come from before we teamed up to create Primstar 2.
So you'll need to contact Gaia about repairing the tutorial link, I don't have anything to do with those.
If my actions made me feel like I had stole a puppy, I'd change what I was doing.
Obviously I'm getting a lot of the details about what occurred second hand. Do you still keep chat logs? If so I can ask Gaia for permission for you to send me them.
The impression I have is not that you weren't answered, but that you didn't like the answers and thus took the actions you did.
Here's the tail end of my reply to a message that started the process of colloborating with Gaia on Primstar 2. This was in December 2010, and obviously we ended up doing Primstar 2 before Avastar. As you can see, it was me who suggested the team up.
My next reply a few days later shows how things were progressing
From there we went through lengthy discussions on how best to handle things, how it would affect existing users and how best to balance the various things we considered. So the way the collaboration formed was through a discussion where we each put forward what we wanted and expected from each other. Neither of us made demands, we just threw out suggestions until we agreed on enough to have a plan. Pixel access did come quickly so we decided to do Primstar 2 before Avastar, and by the end of January we were ready to announce our plans.
Does that clarify how it's normally done?
Updates
*My link URL has been replaced, and the tutorial as well.
* You will forgive me if I decide not to purchase Primstar 2 again, or at least at the current stage; its hard to agree with the new license terms.
*Anything I wrote you can copy/paste here. This is me giving you full permission. And if you can post the conversation that occured in the Blender Primstar/Jass Group when I sent a text about one of my classes that would be lovely... I wish I had kept it.
*Sadly logs I keep are very limited, like I said I wish I knew what got you got ejected from my group first and foremost. The only person who can eject is the God (me). Only the group's God and the Goddess can send notices out. The only person I knowingly ever ejected from any of my groups who has a connection to Prismstar was an Official who called my classes 'spam' in the Blender Primstar/Jass group chat; I'm sure if she re-joins though I wont be ejecting her. But I wont be going out of my way to asking her to re-join, you'll have to forgive me on that as well but I would never call some else's class spam.
*Almost done with alpha, and thinking about Beta .2 and a few extra features I'll be adding to it. And I was thinking to add a cool extra sculpt map or two, maybe something in the code about primstar and then on your code you could send AlbSalGar something else (Seems only reasonable we keep this going on our code and sculpt maps; who knows maybe we get more people into learning python, as they will be looking for the 'hidden messages')
*Only thing thats gonna take a while to get up and running will be my website. I already know how I'll be releasing AlbSalGar 1.0 from it on January (1 download per hour), you'll get a courtesy Emailed copy however XD
Educational version
I'm not promising anything, but with the change of license it's actually possible for us to do a more limited version (with a personal or educational license).
So I've set up a poll to get a feel for what people think about that and voting is now open.
Can't vote
Well I really cant really vote obviously biased because:
1. I am an educator
2. Primstar opening it up again to educators will hurt AlbSalGar; there will be little or no need for it anymore. AlbSalGar started because Primstar didn't do these things.
3. I like my version to be the educational one... and Primstar to be for the rich and famous... Kind of like Gimp vs. Photoshop XD
Of course you can vote
The whole point of voting is to see what bias people have. Mine was the first vote on the poll. I voted for "No need for one". It's interesting that it seems you would now apparantly vote the same way, when you didn't want to be a developer and wanted an educational version of Primstar.
You'll have people thinking your real goal was something else.
Wait...
I already got this far
An educational version is the worst idea now!
Mine is the educational version
I never took away any of your
I never took away any of your officially purchased items from your Jass-Inventory. Maybe you just forgot your download link ? That happens and here is how to get back to your downloads : http://blog.machinimatrix.org/?qa_faqs=how-can-i-get-back-my-jass-downlo... ( This information is Online since July 8, 2011 at 2:16 pm )
Your recent purchase of Primstar-2 was based on a free copy of Jass-Pro which i gave you one year ago. Due to the recent activites i felt it was no longer necessary to keep this personal free offer available for you. Since you bought an upgrade from Jass-Pro to Primstar-2 this consequently also deleted your Primstar-2 purchase and you have been refunded. Note that this withdrawal only addresses future updates of our software. We can not control what you actually are doing with what you already have. So maybe you should backup your existing copies... well you got your download zip it contains all we had to offer up till last sunday. So what... You can not get more...
Anyways, you are free to buy an official copy of Jass-Pro, Jass-Magic, or Primstar-2 for the official price. There is nothing wrong with that. And please read about what kind of support you can get together with these purchases before you buy. And then judge about our support offers.
I also got harassed
I know the type you are talking about. I get harassed and called names all the time as well. Even some people think I make a commission from your sales.
I will leave precise examples out of this blog, as I have RL friends reading it. Most of them like you more than me at this point too
Gaia and I are both public figures; sadly, this behavior of name calling and people being ignorant, we are both supposed to expect, and most of the time just ignore.
But "they" are obviously not whom I meant on my previous comment.
Could be that I myself is to blame for some of this, as I could have directly come to Gaia and explain to her a certain situation. As an in-world educator I get to see more individuals that maybe Gaia just got a request from. It was however, getting clear though that things were changing, someone had to step in.
Like someone previously stated any word of a fork would have gotten them ejected from my Blender group and I have at least one log to prove it, I never saw a need for such thing.
First commit
Just checked back and the GPL 2 license was the very first commit to Primstar 2..
Inactive Members get ejected from the 'Blender' group
Domino although I do have on file that I ejected you on April 24, I don't have on file the reason why I ejected you. This leads me to believe that your avatar 'Domino Marama' has not logged in to Second Life in the last year.
You see in order to reduce lag and make sure the people in the group are active members within the group; I eject members who have not logged in in the past year. This is because I want the number of members in the group to reflect accurate on the popularity of Blender among the active users of SL.
When I eject people because of inactivity, I don't read who it is I am ejecting.
This might not be the case; like I said, sadly I lack documentation on this issue.
Inactivity
Don't worry about it. It made me laugh at the time, I'm sure inactivity was the reason.
not amuzed at all, but ...
But the situation at that time was also very different. It was not Domino, but me who added extra functionality to an already completed Primstar-1 distribution, which eventually got me to publish Jass. And it was Domino who gave me countless answers to my questions. He even arranged parts of the code of Primstar-1 so that it was easier to create my modifications for Jass at that time.
I was personally not very happy about your fork because indeed we started to sell Jass-Pro also to fund the making of free video tutorials. I even asked Domino for giving us the Sources under a different commercial license, but i learned that it would not make much sense at all since any license changes would only apply to future changes so i could not keep you from distributing jass-pro. And i was not aware at that time, that i would create Jass-Magic 6 months later.
By changing Primstar-2 license we now can protect ourself and our customers against loss of value. I think this is the best we can do under the given circumstances.
At the end an amuzing sidenote: I do not know exactly why you all get kicked out of the Blender chat group, while in contrary i am constantly invited to become Officer there. Of course i never was offered the position of a "blender goddess" either. /me now walking away with a smile and guessing that i am very happy with my own little group
-gaia-
My Apologies...
My mistake, I should have known you deserved more respect, and we (you and I) must always be properly recognized. For this, I have no idea how to apologize, other than to start and make things right. To do so at the moment (although for sure a bit late) you now have that title (take a look at the description of your new role)
1. Ejecting you was because I
1. Ejecting you was because I was a supporter of Jass. I never saw a need for a fork until now, please send me an IM and we can work together.
2. I eject people from the group or mute them in order to keep some peace. You can always re-enter and behave.
This reply was meant for
This reply was meant for Soraya Elcar. I did eject her some months back; without any reason, and she has now accepted a group officer position and my apologies.
Also Soraya's fork didn't constitute a threat, she didn't have the type of audience I have, her fork meant nothing to Primstar.
My fork on the other hand; completely threatens the Primstar project, my students now have a free alternative.
What gets me is this: "We hope that our current customers now feel better protected against loss of value. And we hope that our clarifications will encourage new users to join us".
Primstar is now assuming that this move will make things better, I doubt it, people are seldom to run out and sign up for 'use on one computer at one time or get sued' programs. Especially with AlbSalGar Beta (which is just as good as Primstar2) is out for free completely GPL.
Side note, AlbSalGar Alpha will be my next release (and it will be just as good as Jass Magic) and completely GPLed even its installer. Working on a new installer; and logo as I type this. Cheers
Code talk
Beta then Alpha? Ermm ok..
Good luck with your fork. The most successful fork of Primstar 1 was JASS.
Though your continued ill intent towards us does mean you won't get the level of support from me that I gave Gaia.
I'm happy to get back to letting my code talk for me. It's not what Primstar 2 is now that you are competing with, it's what it will be in a few months time.
Is it a Windows installer you are working on? It would make my day if your target market is the "run out and sign up for 'use on one computer at one time or get sued'" crowd.
Seriously though, Primstar 2 doesn't have an installer because it's cross platform and works on any system that runs Blender 2.57+
Ah is that why you are going from beta to alpha? I get it now!
Albsalgar Magic Stealing the
Albsalgar Magic
Stealing the glory from someone who worked their ass for for something is rotten. Being an argumentitive shite is a waste of time.
wow...
it's amazing..
never though in another tool to work on sculpts than jass... or primstar (meaning Gaia and Domino's work)i guess the best thing to improve the developement of primstar was the change of lisence... now... must wait to see if there appears any new unique improvement..(not sure if it happens cuz, as i belive, the mind proccess and dedication that domino puts on primstar seems got no comparison..)
btw...why i haven't seen any other god of blender ..
..if i become a goddess... can i blast common humans with a sight??...
luv primstar... luv jass... and certainly gonna teach them..no need to become goddess
btw ... "THUMBS UP FOR ROCK AND ROLL!!"
The little difference between Gods and Goddesses ...
... is that "Gods" can do whatever they like (are owners), while "Goddesses" just may look shiny and talk (send notices)
So the concepts of equality (equality?... hmm...) have not yet arrived at the Olymp i fear. One consequence is that "Goddesses" walk out of sight to mind their own business and keep "Gods" playing their games all alone.
By the way to all who might not have got the message yet: Please ask me before you decide upon me! I will reject any automatic change of my role in blender. And just for the records: My recent notice in the blender group was an accident. I do not plan to use blender for anything but watching Gods games. And i reset my state back to "blender student" which reflects my role in a much better way.
Equality
Well... Well... Well...
The line has got to be somewhere; between the God and Goddess.
As long as I keep seeing you I'll keep changing your role.
By the way any notice or message you send is allowed; a Goddess makes no 'accidents'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=606UsWKIORQ
No means no
You have a serious problem accepting it when someone says no to you.
oohh my....
Am I proof of the quote? o.O
BTW
By the way Domino and Gaia, thanks for your hard work. You guys did an amazing amount of work and put in a huge chunk of time on primstar and jass.
Your efforts mean a lot to all of us. (Even if Albsalgar doesn't want to admit it ;3 )
We all stand on the shoulders of giants.
Like!
I wish there was a 'like' or 'agree' button!
hmmmm...
Somehow Albsalgar......the way you like things is by stealing them from people who work hard....that is a crying shame.
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